High School Uca/nca Camps

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Nov 10, 2015
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Wow.

Along same lines:

NY, NJ, CA and a few other states are still trying to get case numbers down. I would assume travel to NHSCC 2021 is up in the air for many.

Begs the question:

It is even really a true national level win if the states who send a good bit of the top talent can't come due to travel restrictions?

In the interest of being factual, that decision was made with the the support of the KHSAA Board of Control and voted on on TUESDAY, not Monday. The official announcement was released either Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday. It doesn't change the verbiage used.

I just can't justify going through the process of fundraising, and paying, for something that is only going to happen if someone changes their mind and allows it to.

As long as our tyrannical dictator governor is in office, I doubt the KHSAA commissioner will change his mind. I've never seen such an overblown reaction to something in my whole medical career.
 
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Here in CA... we are literally taking everything one day at a time. We are fundraising as planned, rolling with the punches and if it doesn’t happen then it doesn’t happen and if it does, great.
CA is starting to overall drop in cases (thank goodness) but now other states are starting to significantly rise.
Ill point back to a post from when we were discussing The CA no Sunday rule and I had stated the value of nationals would diminish if some states lost their representation at the event.
There were responses to the tune of “no Sunday” would never happen in a state like KY and regardless of whatever happened in that state ,KY would find a way to go...but nobody bet on a World wide pandemic stopping them, did they? And if not KY... who will be spiking in a few weeks from now, or in a month?
To put it simply- no nationals would NOT be the same without KY. It wouldn’t be the same without TN or CO... whoever...if they have been a state that has had consistent and at least some mildly successful representation at NHSCC, some value is lost.
I had already told my kids to expect attendance to likely be a little lower this year and to be prepared for anything- the biggest thing they were bummed about was that they might not get to compete against and see as many awesome teams. (Not even the possibility that THEY, themselves could possibly not go)
They love competing UCA because there’s so many fantastic teams and part of the fun is just being among great cheerleading...I noticed their value of the event was placed MORE heavily on the quality of their competitors. One girl even said “less competition means a better chance at winning” and the whole team responded with - it doesn’t mean as much if we don’t go against “such and such school”.., because they’re so goood every year. And “so what.. we want to know how we REALLY measure up, not how we are compared to who just happened to be able to go”..,,
With that being said-
I think There should be a strong consideration of pushing Nationals to April/May, if they can.... because you have the majority of teams who had very late tryouts or who will have a very late start to stunting.
With a possible vaccine coming in the fall- your chances of some normalcy and getting higher attendance will just be better by then. If they don’t - it is what it is.
USA Dance Nationals just pushed back their date to April so you never know.
If not, it’s my hopes that this awful virus is gone quickly for everyone and we can carry on with some normalcy and we see everyone represented as much as possible in FL in Feb.
 
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Here's my thought process - Varsity has the highest profit on camp (versus clothing, competitions, etc.). They won't get rid of this requirement, at least not right now, because that's the only reason will attend camp especially this year when finances will be tight. Home camps are almost pure profit for them so it's kind of a win-win with them cancelling all in person camps.

With that being said, come like end of October (that's my guess, as it's after Fall Break for most schools that have it) I do think they will waive the camp requirement for Nationals since at that point, anybody who would've done it already will have. This will open up Nationals to more teams, driving up their competition enrollment while still having gotten a decent amount of money from the camps which, let's be honest, is the only reason Big V requires them in the first place.

I'm not saying it's right, nor am I saying it's evil, but I do think it's the best thing Varsity can do in terms of making money and keeping the company financially stable, which they are desperately trying to do right now.

Quoting myself because, just as I predicted, Varsity opted to waive the camp requirement for this year's USA Nationals and says they will start implementing it next year instead. Happened a bit sooner than I expected (start of October versus end), but at least now we know for a fact that there's no logical reason for it other than the financial gain they get. I am curious to see if they'll waive it for NHSCC as well - anybody who gets UCA info, care to share? We just got our email today on the USA comp side of things.
 

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Quoting myself because, just as I predicted, Varsity opted to waive the camp requirement for this year's USA Nationals and says they will start implementing it next year instead. Happened a bit sooner than I expected (start of October versus end), but at least now we know for a fact that there's no logical reason for it other than the financial gain they get. I am curious to see if they'll waive it for NHSCC as well - anybody who gets UCA info, care to share? We just got our email today on the USA comp side of things.

In the year of COVID, a lot of things are being waived. Financial gain has and always will be the goal in all businesses, it's just a matter if they are within their legal boundaries to do so. Right now, the cheer community is focused on Varsity and the USASF, but the NCAA is currently fighting the battle ahead of them on what governing body responsibilities are and overreach.

The NCAA is currently stating in CA Supreme Court they have no legal responsibility to protect athletes from sex abuse. There are, also, former NCAA football athletes coming forward stating the NCAA failed to protect them in their sport with TBI's, a name and image lawsuit, a settlement on compensation limits. There's a lot going on in court with the NCAA, articles below. USA Today has been following the NCAA lawsuits closely and there's no coincidence they're showing interest and broke the sexual predator story with cheer. There will probably be a lot of new things coming down the pike based on the outcome of NCAA's plethora of lawsuits. Public schools having sovereign immunity, but they can be sued for neglect when it comes to athletes. Most HS cheer teams are governed by their state HS or activities association, and they often partner with outside resources for qualified training. Varsity has always been in the camp business, however, liability is always shifting and is continually opening up opportunities to spend a lot of money to help cover your behind.

NCAA's $208.7 million settlement finally reaching athletes' mailboxes
Congressional bill to examine NCAA predator pipeline Predator Pipeline
NCAA: Lawsuit over athletes' images, likeness puts big money at stake
NCAA athletes more likely to be disciplined for sex assault
NCAA requires vetting athletes for sexual assault, violence
NCAA argues in sex abuse case it has no legal duty to protect athletes Orange County Register
NCAA concussion lawsuits threaten college football's future - Sports Illustrated
 
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