All-Star Impact Of Building Being 40% Of Score

[Deleted member 15]

Individual to practice, not to compete. And we have received the comment before that we need more synched passes in our tumbling sections. I mean, this cant be a giant realization to people that if you tumble in synch lots of people doing hard skills your scores go up, right?

As far as stunting goes, does flexibility matter for stunts and scoring? I feel like you can always work on flexibility on your own, and if flexibility matters then that is an individual part of stunting you can do on your own. Does that mean whatever percentage worth of your score that is body positions is individualistic?

Doing skills in sync helps improve your score. We agree on that. That doesn't change the fact that you can tumble and jump as an individual.

If someone stands on the mat and shows us their flexibility will the get a stunting score? No, because they need another person to make it a stunt,

Do people jump and tumble in individual competitions? Is that competing?

Can you tumble on your own? Yes, because it's an individual skill.
Can you jump on your own? Yes, because it's an individual skill.
Can you stunt on your own? No.

Look at the Fierce Games rules.

"Tumbling (standing, running, jumps, other craziness with just one person performing the skills per video... human props are fine)"

"Stunting (can include baskets and all participants must be age eligible for the 2011-2012 Worlds)
All girl group stunt ( Up to 4 people, everyone female)
Group Stunt + 1 (Up to 4 people, you can use one boy as a back, side, main, or fly!)
Single Based Stunt( one top one base. can use someone to spot if you want. Base can be girl or boy)"

 

[socratesofcheer]

Sometimes it is very hard for me to take @Andre seriously with some of these posts. You're doing a fine job of being the exception to the rule guy. I get it. You're very astute at pointing out that one time in a thousand occurrence.

The point is there are no REAL good reasons to have an unbalanced scoresheet. Until there are some real significant reasons to have an unbalanced scoresheet then it should stay equal.

 

[yojaehs]

There is already a score sheet in place for those that are stronger stunters than tumblers, at the top of the score sheet it says
"Level 4.2"

 

[King]

Doing skills in sync helps improve your score. We agree on that. That doesn't change the fact that you can tumble and jump as an individual.

If someone stands on the mat and shows us their flexibility will the get a stunting score? No, because they need another person to make it a stunt,

Do people jump and tumble in individual competitions? Is that competing?

Can you tumble on your own? Yes, because it's an individual skill.
Can you jump on your own? Yes, because it's an individual skill.
Can you stunt on your own? No.

Look at the Fierce Games rules.

"Tumbling (standing, running, jumps, other craziness with just one person performing the skills per video... human props are fine)"

"Stunting (can include baskets and all participants must be age eligible for the 2011-2012 Worlds)
All girl group stunt ( Up to 4 people, everyone female)
Group Stunt + 1 (Up to 4 people, you can use one boy as a back, side, main, or fly!)
Single Based Stunt( one top one base. can use someone to spot if you want. Base can be girl or boy)"

But you can't win at Cheerleading as an individual. You have to stunt tumble pyramid jump basket and dance as a group.

You're offering exceptions but not telling me why a team jumping in synch is less a team activity than groups stunting.

 

[socratesofcheer]

But you can't win at Cheerleading as an individual. You have to stunt tumble pyramid jump basket and dance as a group.

You're offering exceptions but not telling me why a team jumping in synch is less a team activity than groups stunting.

You're not paying attention. Someone can jump by themselves they'll just get a really bad jump score. (kinda reminds me of assisted tumbling)

 

[yojaehs]

So other than giving gyms that can tumble their way, what is the point of this?

 

[King]

There is already a score sheet in place for those that are stronger stunters than tumblers, at the top of the score sheet it says
"Level 4.2"

Now that is a good question. Why should level 4.2 need a %40 in building if the legality is already setup to only reward stunting?

 

[King]

You're not paying attention. Someone can jump by themselves they'll just get a really bad jump score. (kinda reminds me of assisted tumbling)

And you lost me (on why I wasn't paying attention). But I do agree if you jump by yourselves youll get a really bad jump score. But you would have to literally only do it to prove a point. In fact, you don't need to do anything in a routine except dance. Youll get really bad scores in everything, but youll still have competed a cheerleading routine at a cheerleading competition.

Hypothetical question: if you take away dance, jumps, tumbling, and transitions would it still be cheerleading?

 

[Deleted member 8658]

You forgot to add 'to practice'. But to compete BOTH require a team. Yes?

i dont think some remeber that EVERYONE on the team is needed because everyone has a different contribution to the team in their own way.

 

[BlueCat]

So other than giving gyms that can tumble their way, what is the point of this?

The point is that de-emphasizing tumbling potentially does harm to the gym end of the cheer business. Tumbling instruction makes up the great majority of the services that gyms provide outside of actual team practices. The less important tumbling becomes, the less demand there would be for those services.

That being said, the Varsity scoresheet hasn't de-emphasized tumbling (the percentages for tumbling are the same), they have de-emphasized "traditional cheerleading" stuff like motions.

 

[BlueCat]

Hypothetical question: if you take away dance, jumps, tumbling, and transitions would it still be cheerleading?

I would argue that it already isn't really "cheerleading". I like what all star is/has become, however, it has evolved/drifted significantly from what "real cheerleading" used to be.

 

[King]

The point is that de-emphasizing tumbling potentially does harm to the gym end of the cheer business. Tumbling instruction makes up the great majority of the services that gyms provide outside of actual team practices. The less important tumbling becomes, the less demand there would be for those services.

That being said, the Varsity scoresheet hasn't de-emphasized tumbling (the percentages for tumbling are the same), they have de-emphasized "traditional cheerleading" stuff like motions.

Choreography as well makes up a large portion of the business. If those parts are worth less then maybe it is worth spending less money on choreography?

Since all cheerleading gyms Have a finite amount of time To work on skills It makes more sense to dedicate time On the areas of the score sheet That will give you the most ROI In the shortest amount of time.

 

[King]

I would argue that it already isn't really "cheerleading". I like what all star is/has become, however, it has evolved/drifted significantly from what "real cheerleading" used to be.

Agree. Can we start calling all star just Sportcheer?

 

[rvnblue]

Just FYI "stunting" is not what makes cheerleading cheerleading. Stunting makes acro acro. What makes cheerleading cheerleading is a COMBINATION of stunting, tumbling, jumps, dance etc.

Disagree completely. Acro has dance, tumbling, stunting, "baskets", jumps, and pyramids.

 

[cupieqt]

I don't really tumble. Never had the chance to learn it as it is just not as enforced here in Germany. Having a springfloor is really, really rare for a cheerleading team. Opposed to that there is a vast majority of teams that doesn't even have proper mats to train on. Actually, I used to hate stunting on mats, before i got used to it at my current team.

So I'm biased here.

For me personally, I'm a strong stunter (base) and I love it. It is what makes cheerleading cheerleading.
Honestly the long tumbling sections in routines bore me, especially when it's just cross tumbling and cross tumbling and some more cross tumbling. I don't mean any disrespect. I'm currently trying to learn a standing backtuck and I hav deep respect for everyonme who can even throw a running backhandspring/tuck!
But to me a whole sequence of just tumbling will never be really what I think cheerleading is.

Add tumbling to stunts, choreograph it into the routine so there are still other eye catchers. That would be perfect for me, also as a spectator.

So I'm actually all for these 40%. ;)

You want to know something? You just described all stars in America about 15 years ago.
Be the gym that brings the tumbling and watch things explode. We didn't have many resources in our area either, but all it took was one team to do it and the rest is history : )