All-Star Impact Of Building Being 40% Of Score

[Deleted member 15]

Sometimes it is very hard for me to take @Andre seriously with some of these posts. You're doing a fine job of being the exception to the rule guy. I get it. You're very astute at pointing out that one time in a thousand occurrence.

I'll assume you're complimenting my attention to detail.

 

[yojaehs]

Disagree completely. Acro has dance, tumbling, stunting, "baskets", jumps, and pyramids.

Your free to disagree, but your missing my point. My point is "stunting" isn't what makes cheerleading cheerleading

 

[socratesofcheer]

I'll assume you're complimenting my attention to detail.

That would be one way to look at it. Not my way, but, to each his own.

 

[Deleted member 15]

That would be one way to look at it. Not my way, but, to each his own.

The 2 of us not looking at things the same way is probably the 1 thing we can agree on.

 

[Katybugmom]

Maybe I am in the minority but we take privates and tumbling classes just because my daughter loves it and she wants to do more. It has nothing to do with the gym making her to max out the scoresheet, it is a passion. I don't think tumbling classes will drop off that much because to go to the next level you still need more skills.

 

[CGAcheer]

And you lost me (on why I wasn't paying attention). But I do agree if you jump by yourselves youll get a really bad jump score. But you would have to literally only do it to prove a point. In fact, you don't need to do anything in a routine except dance. Youll get really bad scores in everything, but youll still have competed a cheerleading routine at a cheerleading competition.

Hypothetical question: if you take away dance, jumps, tumbling, and transitions would it still be cheerleading?

The better question is... if you take away the leading of cheers is it still cheerleading?

 

[Jule]

Random thought:

If we're trying so hard to get cheerleading recognized as a sport, shouldn't rules and scoresheet be about developing the sport and not about helping the industrie behind it gain money?

Of course everyone isn't going to agree in the question how a scoresheet should look, in order to develop the sport. But I find the argument of less tumbling classes an the like a little beside the point.

 

[yojaehs]

The point is that de-emphasizing tumbling potentially does harm to the gym end of the cheer business. Tumbling instruction makes up the great majority of the services that gyms provide outside of actual team practices. The less important tumbling becomes, the less demand there would be for those services.

That being said, the Varsity scoresheet hasn't de-emphasized tumbling (the percentages for tumbling are the same), they have de-emphasized "traditional cheerleading" stuff like motions.

What I meant was...What is the point of NOT making tumbling=stunting? Is there a purpose to making them unequal other than giving gyms that can't tumble a chance?

 

[King]

Random thought:

If we're trying so hard to get cheerleading recognized as a sport, shouldn't rules and scoresheet be about developing the sport and not about helping the industrie behind it gain money?

Of course everyone isn't going to agree in the question how a scoresheet should look, in order to develop the sport. But I find the argument of less tumbling classes an the like a little beside the point.

Tumbling classes allow facilities to exist to train cheerleading and make it safer. Think of it as batting cages for baseball or driving ranges for golf. And if people can make their full time job training and teaching cheerleading without having to supplement their income (and hence focus 100% on cheer) the training and education goes way up. Why is the US so much better than every other country at cheerleading? Because we have the infrastructure. Why do we have the infrastructure? Because we have cheerleading gyms. What allows cheerleading gyms to exist? Tumbling classes.

 

[Jule]

Tumbling classes allow facilities to exist to train cheerleading and make it safer. Think of it as batting cages for baseball or driving ranges for golf. And if people can make their full time job training and teaching cheerleading without having to supplement their income (and hence focus 100% on cheer) the training and education goes way up. Why is the US so much better than every other country at cheerleading? Because we have the infrastructure. Why do we have the infrastructure? Because we have cheerleading gyms. What allows cheerleading gyms to exist? Tumbling classes.

Absolutely! I'm all for it. I'd love to have that infrastructure over here!
I just don't think it should get mixed up with competition rules and scoresheets.

 

[King]

Absolutely! I'm all for it. I'd love to have that infrastructure over here!
I just don't think it should get mixed up with competition rules and scoresheets.

The two are integrated. All-star cheer is only where it is because of tumbling classes. Without tumbling classes the whole system would not have gotten where it is. As well, high school and college cheer are enjoying a trickle down effect because of the existence of gyms and their tumbling classes. The tumbling is getting prettier and better executed which in turn is safer. Prob not as safe as Debbie Love would like, but we are improving.

 

[King]

I'll assume you're complimenting my attention to detail.

Affirmation of the consequent (with a bit of the fallacy of composition thrown in)

 

[Deleted member 15]

Affirmation of the consequent (with a bit of the fallacy of composition thrown in)

It beat the other options.

 

[Justacoach]

You want to know something? You just described all stars in America about 15 years ago.
Be the gym that brings the tumbling and watch things explode. We didn't have many resources in our area either, but all it took was one team to do it and the rest is history : )

In 1994 I was basing single leg extended stunts with full downs. Barely had a backhandspring. There were 2 girls on our team with tucks and maybe 8-10 with bhs. But we could stunt our butts off.

 

[Justacoach]

The two are integrated. All-star cheer is only where it is because of tumbling classes. Without tumbling classes the whole system would not have gotten where it is. As well, high school and college cheer are enjoying a trickle down effect because of the existence of gyms and their tumbling classes. The tumbling is getting prettier and better executed which in turn is safer. Prob not as safe as Debbie Love would like, but we are improving.

I'm curious to know what you think it will take to win this year King. A short running tumbling section with bare minimum on level skills (such as full squad ro tucks with only a few specialty passes to tucks on level 3) and two stunt sequences? Less choreography eating up those precious 8counts? Should those big girl beast stunters without the tumbling skills be moved up now? Or do you still need that one bare minimum on level squad skill? Just curious what you think.