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I think i agree with ariel on this one, that we cant keep catering to everyone thats out there. I thought about it in a way comparing it to other sports. If you are a football player or baseball or basketball, when you graduate high school if your not at the elite level what do you do? You play for a DII or DIII school, and if you cant do that, you can either play intramural or just not play at all. And once you graduate college, thats it, you're done unless you're going to the NFL or MLB or NBA.
As a cheerleader after high school you can go cheer in college. If you're not a level 5 or 6 tumbler you have the option to cheer for a smaller college that doesnt require those higher level skills. Not everyone has to cheer for the UofL's and UK's and SFA's and HPU's of the world. I know were talking about continuing with all star and not college, but i think if an open four division is added even less people will continue to cheer for the smaller schools because they will have the opportunity to cheer for an all star team that doesnt require the higher level skills.
Also if people cant afford an open 6 division and thats why there are so few teams, why would an open four be any different?
you can go ahead and bite my head off now (: haha
and sorry if that was all jumbled, it was hard to get it on paper the way i was thinking it in my head.
How about we add an open 2? They're athletes who graduate as a senior not knowing how to do extended stunts.
There are minor leagues for MLB, UFL and Europe for the NFL and the NBDL for NBA and there are tons of adult Rec leagues.
Plus there aren't any professional competitive cheer teams out there, that I know of anyway.
There are very few if any sports that I know of that don't offer a variety of competitive levels for adult athletes other than Cheer.
Hmm, tigres placed 2nd in ioag6 and ece placed thirdvwhen ece had better tumbling. That's proof right there. I'm sorry you have a problem with that.
You still have to be way beyond average to play in the minor leagues. And yes while I cant argue that there are adult rec leagues, 99% of the time they dont seem as competitve or serious (or expensive) as the open level 5 and 6 teams in all star cheerleading. Now that could just be the teams in my area, but from my experience that is what I have seen.
Oh boy.. you're one of these. Ok, listen... you just made your point using the most wide open division on the face of the earth. In that division this season at worlds, you're absolutely correct. Tigres needed virtually no tumbling and they probably scored extremely well on stunts because they did unassisted stunts (which, was ridiculously impressive!!). But if you tried to show up in International all girl 5, international coed 5, or international coed 6 without at least a decent amount of elite tumbling, you'd better not be counting on top 10.. much less top 3.
Now, to agree with your overall point cheerboy.....Personally, I think the option for an open 4 is a decent one, but I hate to add more divisions. I like that there is a college intermediate division... but then again, there's no intermediate football division in the NCAA... so I'm probably not in favor of it of an open 4.
Oh boy.. you're one of these. Ok, listen... you just made your point using the most wide open division on the face of the earth. In that division this season at worlds, you're absolutely correct. Tigres needed virtually no tumbling and they probably scored extremely well on stunts because they did unassisted stunts (which, was ridiculously impressive!!). But if you tried to show up in International all girl 5, international coed 5, or international coed 6 without at least a decent amount of elite tumbling, you'd better not be counting on top 10.. much less top 3.
Now, to agree with your overall point cheerboy.....Personally, I think the option for an open 4 is a decent one, but I hate to add more divisions. I like that there is a college intermediate division... but then again, there's no intermediate football division in the NCAA... so I'm probably not in favor of it of an open 4.
woah now! i was making a point. now thailand placed 4th in international coed 5 because they had AMAZING stunts and they did also have some tumbling. ive seen plenty of teams with amazing stunts that just didnt hit at worlds and they didnt have the tumbling either. open 4 shouldnt be added because well we already have enough divisions why dont they just compete in college leve 4?
woah now! i was making a point. now thailand placed 4th in international coed 5 because they had AMAZING stunts and they did also have some tumbling. ive seen plenty of teams with amazing stunts that just didnt hit at worlds and they didnt have the tumbling either. open 4 shouldnt be added because well we already have enough divisions why dont they just compete in college leve 4?
They don't compete in college level 4 for any number of reasons:
Don't like school cheer, aren't in college, already graduated college, the college they go to doesn't compete
If it's because someone doesnt like school cheer, well I dont want to sound rude but there can be more divisions because a few people simply dont like what is already offered. NCA is very similar to all star cheerleading, the major difference being the hard floor.
In any other sport you can play in college, whether it be intramural, rec, DI, DII, DIII, whatever, or you have the choice to not play. I think here were talking more problems with the rules and the jump from all star to college, not necessarily having too few options for level four cheerleaders.
I think on this one were going to have to agree to disagree(:
Have the people arguing for an open 4 ever competed on an open team? If you have, I stand corrected. But it seems that some of you are viewing the open division as just an extension of senior all star cheerleading, when there are in fact a lot of differences because of the type of people it is available to.