All-Star Csp Tweet: No More Travelling For Cea Teams.

[SL&AM]

Random though and figured this is where it belongs---I understand the parents on lower levels teams are pretty much expected to travel with their kids because they're younger. For senior teams, specifically the older crowd, do parents always travel with them to every comp? Or, is there an option just to send the athlete?

 

[coachrah]

I have receipts which show just how much the difference was between what Stay to Play (Connections/NCA) charged per night at the Omni versus what the Omni "charged". Connections was called and offered up a feeble response (and this was more than one family who received these dramatically different receipts) .

I know when my CP first started going to NCA, I was able to secure room blocks directly at hotels for her team at a reasonable rate. That is no longer the case (yet I know hotels are still offering block deals)

By the way...the difference between what these families pre paid to Connections and what the Omni receipt shows...$100/night per room!!!!

I can't upload pix here or I'd upload the receipts from housing and the Omni.

Well here is a round table discussion on stay to play:
Stay-To-Play: A Roundtable Discussion | Sports Destination Management
and good to note that the organizers for stay to play recommend transparency to the consumer (from article) "SDM: What hints would you give to a group implementing stay-to-play for the first time? Aberg: Go ahead and make it transparent. Tell the folks that some of their hotel room rate is going to tournament expenses - See more at: Stay-To-Play: A Roundtable Discussion | Sports Destination Management

 

[coachrah]

We are at a Cheer Tech comp this weekend. For $100 dollars per team you could practice last night in the arena. And be critiqued by the judges :confused:.

So you can purchase a competitive edge? Is this serious?

 

[coachrah]

Isss a scammmm!!!

Apparently other sports think so too...pretty funny responses here:
PNQ 2013...Stay and PAY or stay and Play? in Girls Volleyball Forum

 

[Perkyninjamomma]

Some are at online schools I'm sure.

I'm not a Worlds parent, but I'm guessing that if your child is at a school with strict attendance policies, it's probably all about LEAVING for NCA/Majors/etc. right after school on Friday, RETURNING that Sunday, and going to school Monday morning. Even if you got in from NCA/Majors at 2 AM.

We've had to do it for RARE big soccer weekends with my boy (leave school right at dismissal or a little early on Friday, return late Sunday and go to school.) I would imagine that Worlds team parents do what they have to do as well.

We do the same often. CP is in PJs by the time she is in the car with make up off. Pillow pet, blankie and lights out. She will sleep the whole way home. It's ME that it's not healthy for lol!


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[getsum]

how long before stay,transport,eat to play goes into effect - be forced to pay for a particular hotel, cab/bus company and restaurant.

 

[mstealtoyou]

Well if shes as smart as some on here say, then I'm sure she knows she could have worded that differently IF her intention was just to complain about the ep NCA.

And your and the CEA moderator on here sum up CEA pretty well, its all about senior elite! pretty sure there are other teams from cea that have gone and won almost yearly! SE doesnt win so now nobody goes?? and BTW as you point out they have won worlds ? yes with a drop once and a traveling "non bobble" stunt once Also for the lg sr division, worlds is a one day comp. if you would have had prelim scoring count... worlds may look quite different.

It's not all about SE. It's the only team I'm involved enough to speak to. Your comment is insulting. But, I'm guessing that was your intent.

 

[mstealtoyou]

Worlds is a different score sheet therefore comparing that they won 3x vs none at NCA is not a fair assesment to think any team should be able to come out on top at any given competition. Also routines evolve from competition to competition.

In my experience, just because u HIT does not mean an automatic win. Anyone can HIT with poor execution or timing issues. SE added double ups - however they were poorly timed and poorly executed compared to competitiors. Hands down Panthers execution and timing was the best and they had just as difficult of a routine as all the large sr. So with all skills equal - execution and timing wins out.

I re watched us from day 2. I agree with this assessment.

 

[mstealtoyou]

Random though and figured this is where it belongs---I understand the parents on lower levels teams are pretty much expected to travel with their kids because they're younger. For senior teams, specifically the older crowd, do parents always travel with them to every comp? Or, is there an option just to send the athlete?

We do a very good job of making sure kids who need a spot in a bed, get one. We also have a very good group of Moms and Dads, it's usually not an issue. For our own reasons, I travel with our daughter. (And she's my last one so, I definitely don't want up miss a thing).

As a family, we don't all go everywhere. Last year it was Majors, Champions League and Worlds. This year it's been Majors, NCA and it'll be Worlds. (We get buddy flying passes so normally it's CP, me and Mr Teal. This year doe to weather we ended up having to buy tickets......had we known this Mr Tealy would have stayed home. Lmao).

 

[Pebbles49]

She never said they weren't traveling. Just staying within driving distance. And there is plenty of competition within driving distance. F5, Orange, WCSS....they're all within driving distance of each other so they're not sacrificing competition either.


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Okay, but I thought the complaint the expense of traveling and primarily, the Stay

I think the goal is to get away from plane trips not necessarily hotels.

@SL&AM, I was going to respond on the issue of Hotels Fees vs. Plane fees- For me personally, my daughter's team travel a lot for competition and I find that plane fair can be quite reasonable, why? When we get our competition schedule, which is in June- it is early enough to find good flight deals and most importantly, airlines do not have a monopoly on this industry., you can fly with one who offer the best deal and better yet, airlines offer cancellation and refund policies... What is eating most of my money up is the Stay to Play hotels, which monopolized the cheer industry and can and will jack up rates, force customers to pay all cost + taxes upfront and not offer any cancellation or refund policies....I really believe this is no different from loan shark business antics...

 

[12stepCheermom]

Okay, but I thought the complaint the expense of traveling and primarily, the Stay

@SL&AM, I was going to respond on the issue of Hotels Fees vs. Plane fees- For me personally, my daughter's team travel a lot for competition and I find that plane fair can be quite reasonable, why? When we get our competition schedule, which is in June- it is early enough to find good flight deals and most importantly, airlines do not have a monopoly on this industry., you can fly with one who offer the best deal and better yet, airlines offer cancellation and refund policies... What is eating most of my money up is the Stay to Play hotels, which monopolized the cheer industry and can and will jack up rates, force customers to pay all cost + taxes upfront and not offer any cancellation or refund policies....I really believe this is no different from loan shark business antics...

I can assure you I'm the travel deal queen and start tracking price trends and airfares from 6 airports as soon as our schedule is released. Flights from the east coast to All star Games (no matter when you bought them or by who) are running at least 2-3 times normal because of the NCAA tournament in town that weekend and the same goes for the flights to LA for Champions League. I also paid for trip insurance in case our schedule changed and when we pulled out of Champions League I was told there would be no refund even with the insurance because merely changing our schedule wasn't a "covered" reason. That was $760 (for two tickets that I got "cheap" requiring them to drive three hours to another airport) that I can't get back. So while I generally agree with you about flights, that argument did not work for either of those two competitions this season and those are two competitions on CEA's schedule as well.

Put that WITH stay to play shenanigans and I assure you, I see exactly where CSP is coming from trying to limit airfare costs.


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[ErinS]

I think that the point is, what is reasonably and and affordable to one family is not reasonable and affordable to all families.


If CSP wants to make a schedule that that appeals more to the "can't" families than the "can" families...then it makes sense business wise because as it as been stated, the blue collar families that CANT afford to travel to hither and yon out number those who can.

Just because you can afford to buy flights early enough in the season to get decent fares for your family's financial ability, doesn't mean someone else on the teams family isn't spending all season robbing Peter to pay Paul to keep their as equally talented child in the sport.


Yes it seems strange that the announcement comes directly after her salty NCA post, but at the end of the day she knows her truth and she she knows what's best for her gym



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[Pebbles49]

I can assure you I'm the travel deal queen and start tracking price trends and airfares from 6 airports as soon as our schedule is released. Flights from the east coast to All star Games (no matter when you bought them or by who) are running at least 2-3 times normal because of the NCAA tournament in town that weekend and the same goes for the flights to LA for Champions League. I also paid for trip insurance in case our schedule changed and when we pulled out of Champions League I was told there would be no refund even with the insurance because merely changing our schedule wasn't a "covered" reason. That was $760 (for two tickets that I got "cheap" requiring them to drive three hours to another airport) that I can't get back. So while I generally agree with you about flights, that argument did not work for either of those two competitions this season and those are two competitions on CEA's schedule as well.

Put that WITH stay to play shenanigans and I assure you, I see exactly where CSP is coming from trying to limit airfare costs.


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I had that issue once with flight travel versus hotel fees another gym my daughter was cheering at I was able to benefit from the 24 hour cancellation policies that most airlines offer, as well as, I was offered 12 months to fly to that area, so no lost... But I purchased insurance on an hotel reservation and was refused all my upfront money paid because they did not want to give back my money...The State of Connecticut Governor called a State of Emergency that weekend, so there was no way to travel to that competition and the hotel felt they could keep all money, I had to fight all the way to the Attorney General of that state to get my money back and write a scathing paper/mini dissertation to the Better Business Bureau to get my money back - 6 months later...Why, Stay to Play shenanigans...

 

[Tator tots]

And I do believe, this may open the door for some athletes families, who have had to "opt out" of even joining the gym due to the travel schedule. You may be able to scrape the money up to keep up the monthly payments of being on the team, but add on all the extra traveling fees, and they're out. There are plenty of families out there with heartbroken CP's not cheering, who just can't afford the travel schedules some gyms are putting out there now.

 

[coachrah]

And I do believe, this may open the door for some athletes families, who have had to "opt out" of even joining the gym due to the travel schedule. You may be able to scrape the money up to keep up the monthly payments of being on the team, but add on all the extra traveling fees, and they're out. There are plenty of families out there with heartbroken CP's not cheering, who just can't afford the travel schedules some gyms are putting out there now.

Many years ago my daughter was in All Star cheer when it was somewhat in its infancy. Back than a lot of gym owners hosted local competitions and rented local venues (Universities and High School gyms). That host gym reaped financial benefits from admissions, event shirt sales, concessions, sponsor/vendor fees, dvd sales etc. But in my opinion, the best part was the sport grew a fan base that was in keeping with other sports. First, families could bring gram, gramps, and the whole clan. But more so, spectators came to see the sport live and in action. I KNOW many of my daughter's friends chose to enroll because their parents could come and watch, gain insight, and get the "family feel" that this sport delivers. To this day I do not understand why there is no paths to state, regional and a true National. Quite frankly, I think the parent as a consumer first, is beginning to question the scoring, the bracketology and the cost. This industry has so many passionate and intelligent people, I have no doubt that they will figure it out but it has to start somewhere.