All-Star Stealing Choreography?

[xtremeteal4life]

Ive seen this happen alot in popwarner. The season after a allstar team competes something new and innovative, alot of teams all of a sudden have them in their routines. I remember the year after 2008 WCSS fashionista dance, countless teams danced to that. Also, ever since worlds last year, at alot of local competitions, I have seen teams doing ball-up 360's. They say imitation is the best form of flattery!

Exactly! I've seen some all-stars doing it too, same with Maddie's pretzel.. CEA doesn't freak out about it, plus the advantage to having your routines posted early on YouTube is that everyone knows where it came from

 

[SamanthaFoor]

Starting at around 0:45 sec. listen to the music.. :rolleyes:

 

[PullandPray23]

georgia high school cheerleading is the worse, way to many teams coaches steal music from allstar teams, voiceovers and everything, but i feel this happens a lot more in high school.
These teams, did NOT do this, but this is just an example of the choreographer giving teams the same routine for the most part.
Alpharetta-
Northwestern Varsity-
Obviously a lot is the same, but if you watch the dance it's literally just the same.
Now as i understand the choreographer was the same person, and did this because he KNEW the teams would not be competeting against each other, but still I would feel weird thinking that some other team had the same routine we did, just slightly different.

now call me crazy(or wrong) but for some bizzare reason I wanna say jamie did these routines..I could be wrong I just feel like I saw somewhere that he did alphretta

 

[shoptilldawn92]

yes there are two gyms in mass one highly respected who go to comps beofre they compete and video tape and take anything they may need

 

[AScheer]

However, you bring up an interesting point: how do teams feel about that? As a parent, you're paying for what you hope to be 'original', as a team you want something new and exciting: are you bothered when you know it's from a different team the year before? Would you be bothered if a HS team had the EXACT same dance as you or some of your v/os? What about if the choreographer gave it to them? If you knew up front that there was the chance he/she would give the exact same dance to another team, especially that year, would you not choose them?

I wouldn't want anyone to have our same routine. I think it speaks poorly of choreographers to give the same routine to multiple teams - can they not come up with something else? That is their job!

As for posting rules: we can post anything on youtube that is not a routine we haven't competed. So no part of the choreography, stunts or the routine is posted until after the first competition. After its been performed publicly whose to say someone else wont post it so why not. After that the rule is that if the routines changed the new version can't be posted until its competed.

As a school coach I use clips of allstar music for halftime dances for football games, but would never use it for our actual competition routine - we get our own custom made. We do so many halftime dances that are only done once so getting new music for all of them is outrageous so we clip songs from here and there, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, as long as your not using another teams music in its entirety.

I did notice a team at UCA nationals this year took CEA's my heart will go on from their pyramid. It was on the ESPN show on tv. I heard it in the bg and looked up and it wasn't CEA. The worse part is they didn't even try to match the sound effects. There would be noises and no one was doing anything!

 

[PullandPray23]

Well If you gonna steal lets makes some rules to live by:
1. Its prob not a good idea to steal a top worlds contender's elements...people tend to notice because they saw them on EPSN
2. Judges aren't stupid...I bet there is at least one judge on here that keeps up on cheerleading and will notice if you stole something
3. Some things people will say are stolen regardless of how simple (i.e the commonly known "CEA Wristroll" they were not the first to do it and are not the last to)
4. if using elements from a dance dont take a who dance borrow less than 2 8 counts and incorporate you own moves into them
5. Dont steal choreography from a gym closer than 3.5 hours from you...cause when you bump into them in warmups it tends to get awkward.
6. Dont cut someone eles' music and use it to compete too. (pep rallies...meh why not but dont claim it as your own cause you know one person in that auditorium is cheer obsessed and will slay you!
7. Know you will never have a completely original routine so if you see something your team "thought of" sorry honey you may have but so did 11 other people cause you thought inside the box (z formational snap..and yes I thought of that)
8. and lastly if someone stole from you: imitation is the best form a flattery .meow. <---and yes that was stolen from me. ;)

 

[imrichhowboutu]

Exactly! I've seen some all-stars doing it too, same with Maddie's pretzel..

What is Maddie's Pretzel?

 

[Deleted member 1556]

Exactly! I've seen some all-stars doing it too, same with Maddie's pretzel.. CEA doesn't freak out about it, plus the advantage to having your routines posted early on YouTube is that everyone knows where it came from

Isn't a pretzel just a body position? So you can't really "steal it"..

 

[xtremeteal4life]

What is Maddie's Pretzel?

That's what I call the wrap around stretch...not sure of it's actual name

 

[xtremeteal4life]

Isn't a pretzel just a body position? So you can't really "steal it"..

Technically everything in the routine is just a body position :p

 

[Deleted member 8658]

I think it's hard, because really, there is only so much you can do in each level. If someone comes up with something creative, you better believe it will be used by numerous teams by the end of the year. I think there is a big difference between stealing a routine and having similar stunt sequences.
When it comes to motions and dance, that's ridiculous to have the exact same thing as someone else. But how many different ways can you do stunts in level 3 and max out the scoresheet? Not too many, which is why people argue the lower levels are "boring."

i beleive there are thousands of ways to make a routine your own even if its level one there are soo many thing you can do that make the routine different from any one else all the skills and the sequence you put them in can be different from another if your talking about single leged stunts, i know the level three team im on has alot of different and really creative things added to our routine that no has

 

[imrichhowboutu]

That's what I call the wrap around stretch...not sure of it's actual name

oh ok. Someone i know used to call it a cheerio. And lots of teams have done this in the past.

 

[INeverStopCheering]

I find the concept of 'stealing' routines or choreography kinda funny..I mean, stunt sections and jump combos can only be done so many ways, unless you've 'invented' a new basket toss (like the full up toe touch/toe touch full down) then I think it's a little ridiculous. There are little tidbits that maybe you 'could' steal, or a whole dance you could copy, but besides that..I remember the boards were in uproar because some HS team had WCSS' fashionista dance. And I think they took it to Nationals..big no-no. But unless it's a whole 'section' and incredibly distinct, who's gonna REALLY know?

EXACTLY! There are only so many ways to do something. And it's not like you copyright your routine. Imitation is the highest form of flattery after all. So unless it's something really distinct and original I don't think it can really be called "stealing"

 

[xtremeteal4life]

oh ok. Someone i know used to call it a cheerio. And lots of teams have done this in the past.

lol...that's a funny name.
i've never seen it before (but i believe you) but i also know i didn't see anyone else do it this season until after maddie did it the first time.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

lol...that's a funny name.
i've never seen it before (but i believe you) but i also know i didn't see anyone else do it this season until after maddie did it the first time.

I know ive seen some teams have it in the back of tumbling and stuff
But Wildcats did it as a full team the last year they were large coed i think
and the year before that, navarro did it at NCA college nationals.