All-Star Csp Tweet: No More Travelling For Cea Teams.

[Pebbles49]

I paid no more for the exact same hotels as last year. @MissCongeniality was that the Omni a block away from the venue? Are you allowed to stay at any hotel within the Housing block or does your gym require you to stay at that particular hotel?

I believe this year with Stay to Play many more hotels were added such as Omni, which last year was not on the list and what made it so appalling was the full upfront charges without any refund or cancellation policy, so these hotels get paid rather you stay there or not... Last year, we paid for 1 night only and had an option of 24 hrs cancellation, but we did not receive the 1 night down payment...In my opinion and taking a business law course, I thought charging customers for services not rendered was illegal and thought this kind of contract was illegal and unbinding...

 

[MissCongeniality]

I paid no more for the exact same hotels as last year. @MissCongeniality was that the Omni a block away from the venue? Are you allowed to stay at any hotel within the Housing block or does your gym require you to stay at that particular hotel?

@catlady We can stay wherever we want as long as it's through Connections. I was at the Hyatt (and yes it cost more than last year) The omni was the one attached to the convention center. I understand it would be more $. My point is that by booking as required through Connections (don't want your team disqualified) it cost those families $100/day MORE than had they booked directly through the Omni. Now I'm in the financial industry and totally understand supply and demand ;) but requiring you to book through a central system (or be disqualified) and charging such a steep "surcharge" is greed pure and simple!

 

[quitthedrama]

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Is it worth pulling (in the case of my family) a kid out of 10th grade IB Physics or 3rd grader out of school for...to get them to Atlanta by 6 pm? for 10 minutes? Naw


Now if your team has had injury after injury and fill in after fill in the week of, and you're actually practicing for a substantial amount of time at a nearby facility...I understand that.

but 10 minutes at the GWCC the night before Cheersport.....not worth it




(disclaimer to clear my conscious.... I did pull my niece out of school yesterday to go see Air Force One take off at the airport)

I don't feel it is necessary for all competitions, but I fully believe practice at the GWCC Friday night before Cheersport won my CP her cheersport jacket. It was a new gym and none of the kids had ever been to a competition of that magnitude. Maybe they only tumbled and stunted for 10 minutes, but they spent at least an hour in warm ups and got the "OMG I am so overwhelmed we are going to get killed by these teams" thoughts over with on Friday. Had they waited until their warmups on Saturday for those mind games to play out, they likely would have been a different team on the mat. I think for non-veteran teams and athletes it is highly beneficial at big competitions.

 

[Pebbles49]

@catlady We can stay wherever we want as long as it's through Connections. I was at the Hyatt (and yes it cost more than last year) The omni was the one attached to the convention center. I understand it would be more $. My point is that by booking as required through Connections (don't want your team disqualified) it cost those families $100/day MORE than had they booked directly through the Omni. Now I'm in the financial industry and totally understand supply and demand ;) but requiring you to book through a central system (or be disqualified) and charging such a steep "surcharge" is greed pure and simple!

Addition to this, we had some members on the team with rewards or discounted rates on hotels (I may not be saying this right), but these people were forced to booked through Connection Housing and not use their rewards or discounted rates on their rooms or risk disqualifications for their gym...What kind of insanity is this?

PS: This FELT no different from me being accosted in a dark alleyway, it surely did not feel like HOSPITALITY at all!!!

 

[catlady]

@MissCongeniality we have a parent that is currently working with Sheraton with Stay to Play. I am really interested in hearing from someone on the inside on how this works from the hotel and housing side.

 

[ErinS]

I don't feel it is necessary for all competitions, but I fully believe practice at the GWCC Friday night before Cheersport won my CP her cheersport jacket. It was a new gym and none of the kids had ever been to a competition of that magnitude. Maybe they only tumbled and stunted for 10 minutes, but they spent at least an hour in warm ups and got the "OMG I am so overwhelmed we are going to get killed by these teams" thoughts over with on Friday. Had they waited until their warmups on Saturday for those mind games to play out, they likely would have been a different team on the mat. I think for non-veteran teams and athletes it is highly beneficial at big competitions.

I agree that Cheersport and the GWCC itself is overwhelming. In my experience (walking teams through Friday night warm ups) that it's more of a show off feel. Yes it gets new competitors acclimated to the huge warm up room at Cheersport, but its never like we were warming up near teams we were competing against to clear jitters in that aspect. One year at Friday night warm ups we trailed Senior Elite.... it was the year they warmed up 3 ball up 360 tick tocks (that they didn't compete) with Maddie, the blonde popular one that aged off and another little flyer. So needless to say, kids were caught up in the awe of that.

I just think that eliminating the mandatory (for the gym we were at) Friday night practice takes the pressure off parents to leave work early, pull kids out of school, and some of the hustle and bustle of racing to Atlanta etc etc



I'm also team arrive on Saturday morning and eliminate a night at the hotel when possible

 

[CheerBank]

Nickle and diming.

I wonder how many teams paid for that and were salty when they still lost

I will let you know how many of those teams win and/or get a bid today.

 

[mstealtoyou]

She insinuated they would no longer do STP events which would be a big step for a gym owner and is making a huge statement to the industry, but when questioned no one from the gym seems to want to confirm that. But if the gym isn't doing events that require air travel, then NCA is the only event that would be off their schedule and that really isn't a huge money saver. I don't care what they do, but there is a huge difference in saying you won't play by the industry's rules anymore and not going to one competition.

"You are only responsible for being honest, not for someone else's reaction to your honesty."

I think nobody's commenting because we haven't heard directly from her exactly what this means. Anything we added would be speculation. When that meeting happens I'll be happy to post what she tells us. Until then, all I can do is admit I was one of the people who talked to her. (On Saturday night by the way, not on Sunday after we knew we lost).

For me, SE has hit 5 out of 6 routines in the last 3 years taking 2nd. Clearly our routine isn't what NCA wants from their winners. Why go back?


Edited to add I'm a waitress and my hubby builds school buses. I'm willing to bet our personal demographic isn't what the big wigs at Varsity/USASF are trying to recruit into their sport. Sad really. 14 years ..... It was a good run I guess. (Shrug again)

 

[mstealtoyou]

For some reason I thought she was aging out this year and she was my age. :confused: where did I get that idea??
I'm glad she's listening to parents and making it more affordable for them. It's so important for gym owners to be approachable and receptive or else they'll price people out without even knowing it. I also think it starts at the top - if big, high profile teams make travel comps more rare, people across the board will start to realize you don't have to travel so far so often. There are many smaller gyms that limit their travel - as part of one of them I feel like sometimes people are like "oh you don't go to XyZ?" and write us off. Big gyms not going so far could help smaller gyms who feel they lose credibility when they don't go to 10 two day comps 5+ hrs away survive and help parents afford the sport!
I realize CA has been limiting travel forever, it's just good to see another gym doing so also :)


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She's cheer age 15 this year. Just aged off JE last year. She's been around A LONG time, I'll admit. Lmao.

 

[quitthedrama]

I think nobody's commenting because we haven't heard directly from her exactly what this means. Anything we added would be speculation. When that meeting happens I'll be happy to post what she tells us. Until then, all I can do is admit I was one of the people who talked to her. (On Saturday night by the way, not on Sunday after we knew we lost).

For me, SE has hit 5 out of 6 routines in the last 3 years taking 2nd. Clearly our routine isn't what NCA wants from their winners. Why go back?


Edited to add I'm a waitress and my hubby builds school buses. I'm willing to bet our personal demographic isn't what the big wigs at Varsity/USASF are trying to recruit into their sport. Sad really. 14 years ..... It was a good run I guess. (Shrug again)

From what I know of you, you and your family will do whatever it takes to keep your little here as long as she wants to be, and if CSP can help with that then that is what is important!
And I am not a fan of what USASF/Varsity had done to competitive cheer, but that is a whole different thread!

 

[MissCongeniality]

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She's cheer age 15 this year. Just aged off JE last year. She's been around A LONG time, I'll admit. Lmao.

Lol! Like mine...cheer age 16. But this is it. She's graduating. Time for new adventures. (Oh and I joke that the amount we paid for cheer travel etc got our budget ready for college!)

 

[Angelica]

Made me laugh to read from those saying that they "applaud" csp for taking a stand against stp, when it was never even mentioned by her!
I do believe it was about costs, and i believe the reason it was put on twitter and not just to inform her parents is that, maybe, there is enough parents considering the new gym in Charlotte (where most of the level 5 kids drive from) A gym who just announced they are starting their tryouts soon. I'm pretty sure she doesnt just randomly post on twitter, but has a well thought out reason for using that medium to inform her "parents"
I also noticed she seemed to get a pass for insulting the team that won NCA with the "where i come from a team has to hit to be a champion" I guess where she came from must have changed since her team won at worlds with a stunt fall. If eddie or orby would have tweeted that half the board would have burned down.

YESS !!!

 

[SL&AM]

At Cheersport, the Friday night practice, is the same 10 minute (I'm guessing the exact time, its been a few years since I've done it), you're going to get prior to competing the following day. Those 10 minutes on Friday aren't going to make or break your Saturday/Sunday performance. Its not a practice ...its a practice warm up.

At CP's current gym some of the teams do have practice Friday night before the comp, BUT the gym has rented a hotel room and you drop them off for 1-2 hours and then pick them up. So for some gyms it's more than just 10 minutes.

 

[Helen uk uni cheer]

We are at a Cheer Tech comp this weekend. For $100 dollars per team you could practice last night in the arena. And be critiqued by the judges :confused:.

They did that at a comp in the uk for less money and several gyms went for it for one main reason, a lot of gyms either don't have a full floor or their floor isnt sprung and split time between tumble gyms and school halls. Its great to get a feel for the floor and to double check legalities

 

[nicolee]

Tweeting that a team should have to hit to win was a bit uncalled for, and a bit of a poorly-disguised jab... Although I agree with every single word...

But why should CSP have to hide her displeasure with NCA, and with the ever-mounting price of cheerleading in general? She's a client coming to these events, just as her families are clients placing their business with her. So if she's dissatisfied with what she's getting, why return? SE has hit pretty well at Dallas over the past few years, yet haven't won in a long time. But they've won Worlds 3 times in the past five years. Clearly what she's giving isn't working at NCA.

So why drag hundreds of athletes and their families back down to Dallas?

Plus the toilets are gross there anyway.