All-Star Csp Tweet: No More Travelling For Cea Teams.

[Official OWECheer]

I've said this probably 1000 times on here, but here goes 1001... They do NOT need STP to provide this information. Nor is it even an effective way to prove it. If that was the case, it would look like NCA was bringing more people to Dallas than the super bowl to its host city. There are plenty of ways to track the revenue an event brings to a city without stay to play. That's why things like the Final Four and the Super Bowl have no trouble booking venues.

Especially for an event like Cheersport or NCA, which are both events that have been held for a number of years. The convention centers could merely look at last year's receipts to know how many people attended.

I used to work for the economic development dept for our city (may years ago, pre Chicago) and exactly zero times did we need stay to play to determine the amount of revenue an event brought to our city - and we had some pretty specific numbers.

This is just the BS that the stay to play people have sold consumers to make them believe it's necessary.

OMG This. Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis.

Isss a scammmm!!!

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

So I don't understsnd how when a gym does a 10 hour drive to Orlando, how do those people not need to stay in a hotel? Worlds is a multi day competition right? Do you only have to do a STP hotel if you actually get on a plane to go to the competition? Or is world's not a STP comp? And are they tapped into the airlines to know if you drove vs. flew?

Personally, and this is just me, I would see it as a negative if my kids gym used to go to NCA, and was always a contenter for winning, and then just decided to stop going. I've never been to NCA so maybe that's why (so it has this mystique of being such a prestigious comp), but to me, if my CP was at a top worlds gym and on a team that COULD win NCA, I'd want her going to NCA.

That tweet about "where I come from" was uncalled for - whoa if that's true that CEA won a big title once w/ some falls. I'll tell you what, that certainly sets them up for needing to be perfect for the rest of the year now - they'll look like hypocrites if they go somewhere, have a stunt fall and still win over a team that hits - unless they decline the award on principle ;).

 

[ErinS]

Honestly, it was one of the first questions we wanted to know when the schedule came out and I was so relieved to hear him say exactly what I think.

If you don't have it by then, you don't have it (YAY! bring it on). And he said he'd rather kids get into town, have a meal, relax and get some sleep.

I wanted to cry! THANK YOU.


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I always hated those day before practices for competitions...especially Cheersport. Like I got the need for the kids to see the big intimidating warm up room before day 1 of Cheersport but on the other hand....what you said in bold... those practices neither make nor break a performance

In my sister's of all star cheer she never missed a day of school for travel------my moms a teacher; and I believe she left work early once and said she had a doctors appointment.... but then some cheer mom was in the front office signing her kid out for the competition and blew her cover with a "AND MRS. PARKER IS GOING TO CHEERSPORT TOO!"

My niece has also never missed school for a competition.

I applaud a gym that wants to eliminate these unnecessary absences

 

[Official OWECheer]

Made me laugh to read from those saying that they "applaud" csp for taking a stand against stp, when it was never even mentioned by her!
I do believe it was about costs, and i believe the reason it was put on twitter and not just to inform her parents is that, maybe, there is enough parents considering the new gym in Charlotte (where most of the level 5 kids drive from) A gym who just announced they are starting their tryouts soon. I'm pretty sure she doesnt just randomly post on twitter, but has a well thought out reason for using that medium to inform her "parents"
I also noticed she seemed to get a pass for insulting the team that won NCA with the "where i come from a team has to hit to be a champion" I guess where she came from must have changed since her team won at worlds with a stunt fall. If eddie or orby would have tweeted that half the board would have burned down.

The thing is, Panthers hit day 2. They won by 0.03, so it all came down to numbers.

Again, it came down to numbers. Their execution and difficulty scores gave them enough of a buffer that the fall didn't stop them from winning.

 

[CheerBank]

I always hated those day before practices for competitions...especially Cheersport. Like I got the need for the kids to see the big intimidating warm up room before day 1 of Cheersport but on the other hand....what you said in bold... those practices neither make nor break a performance

In my sister's of all star cheer she never missed a day of school for travel------my moms a teacher; and I believe she left work early once and said she had a doctors appointment.... but then some cheer mom was in the front office signing her kid out for the competition and blew her cover with a "AND MRS. PARKER IS GOING TO CHEERSPORT TOO!"

My niece has also never missed school for a competition.

I applaud a gym that wants to eliminate these unnecessary absences

We are at a Cheer Tech comp this weekend. For $100 dollars per team you could practice last night in the arena. And be critiqued by the judges :confused:.

 

[luv2cheer92]

The thing is, Panthers hit day 2. They won by 0.03, so it all came down to numbers.

Again, it came down to numbers. Their execution and difficulty scores gave them enough of a buffer that the fall didn't stop them from winning.

Panthers had a bobble and a .25 deduction day 2. Not the point, just clarifying. Point #2 is accurate.

 

[Official OWECheer]

I can't comment on her timing because I haven't spoken to her about it. I can only comment about the cost conversation I did have. I've been saying for 4/5 years here that if varsity wants to grow the sport of cheerleading they'll do everything the can NOT to price out your average families. Nobody there listened though, because they don't care. And costs are only going up. Y'all can think wha you want but I spoke truthfully from the heart. (Shrug)

:deadhorse: AMEN! And like I said before, they're creating a HUGE pocket in the market that I'm sure lots of vendors/EPs are itching to fill.

@King can you a GIF of someone sipping tea? Just in case a juicy thread pops up.

 

[cheermommaRN]

I don't even get this

Each cheer program is a house and the lights are all these "spotlight comps"...NCA, UCA, Summit, Majors, Champions League, All Star Games. The last 4 being the biggest racket of them all.
The worst thing to happen to parents in this sport are the invite only competitions...especially AS Games.


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[MissCongeniality]

I have receipts which show just how much the difference was between what Stay to Play (Connections/NCA) charged per night at the Omni versus what the Omni "charged". Connections was called and offered up a feeble response (and this was more than one family who received these dramatically different receipts) .

I know when my CP first started going to NCA, I was able to secure room blocks directly at hotels for her team at a reasonable rate. That is no longer the case (yet I know hotels are still offering block deals)

By the way...the difference between what these families pre paid to Connections and what the Omni receipt shows...$100/night per room!!!!

I can't upload pix here or I'd upload the receipts from housing and the Omni.

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

Wow - $100 per night per room more, for the same exact hotel!? - yeah, that is outrage-worthy - wow. I see why people are upset. Now is she specifically meaning this to be for comps that use STP, or is it just any travel that involves a plane? Unless you're talking 2 hours a way, I think any 2 day comp is gonna involve a hotel. Don't most bid-giving comps involve 2 days?

 

[Ashley]

I always hated those day before practices for competitions...especially Cheersport. Like I got the need for the kids to see the big intimidating warm up room before day 1 of Cheersport but on the other hand....what you said in bold... those practices neither make nor break a performance

In my sister's of all star cheer she never missed a day of school for travel------my moms a teacher; and I believe she left work early once and said she had a doctors appointment.... but then some cheer mom was in the front office signing her kid out for the competition and blew her cover with a "AND MRS. PARKER IS GOING TO CHEERSPORT TOO!"

My niece has also never missed school for a competition.

I applaud a gym that wants to eliminate these unnecessary absences

As a team that practices once a week, I always enjoyed the night before practices. But we rarely travel, so it wasn't a big deal. We did go to Atlantic city this year, and decided as a team to make time during the week for a team practice, or to practice on Friday night in AC. We opted to practice during the week which gave those people who couldn't get the time off from work or school the opportunity to leave when they could ok Friday and arrive late, late Friday night.

And then most of us left AC at 10:00PM and got home at 5AM. I was between jobs at the time so it didn't affect me, but my husband went into work late that day.

 

[catlady]

I paid no more for the exact same hotels as last year. @MissCongeniality was that the Omni a block away from the venue? Are you allowed to stay at any hotel within the Housing block or does your gym require you to stay at that particular hotel?

 

[ErinS]

As a team that practices once a week, I always enjoyed the night before practices. But we rarely travel, so it wasn't a big deal. We did go to Atlantic city this year, and decided as a team to make time during the week for a team practice, or to practice on Friday night in AC. We opted to practice during the week which gave those people who couldn't get the time off from work or school the opportunity to leave when they could ok Friday and arrive late, late Friday night.

And then most of us left AC at 10:00PM and got home at 5AM. I was between jobs at the time so it didn't affect me, but my husband went into work late that day.

Yeah but y'all are an open team.

I think there's a big difference between that (and I'll use my family for example)and an 8 year old on a Y3 team and a 15 year old on a S3. They've already practiced 2-3 times that week regularly, plus any extra practices that were called that week since a big (Cheersport) competition.

At Cheersport, the Friday night practice, is the same 10 minute (I'm guessing the exact time, its been a few years since I've done it), you're going to get prior to competing the following day. Those 10 minutes on Friday aren't going to make or break your Saturday/Sunday performance. Its not a practice ...its a practice warm up.

Is it worth pulling (in the case of my family) a kid out of 10th grade IB Physics or 3rd grader out of school for...to get them to Atlanta by 6 pm? for 10 minutes? Naw


Now if your team has had injury after injury and fill in after fill in the week of, and you're actually practicing for a substantial amount of time at a nearby facility...I understand that.

but 10 minutes at the GWCC the night before Cheersport.....not worth it




(disclaimer to clear my conscious.... I did pull my niece out of school yesterday to go see Air Force One take off at the airport)

 

[ErinS]

We are at a Cheer Tech comp this weekend. For $100 dollars per team you could practice last night in the arena. And be critiqued by the judges :confused:.

Nickle and diming.

I wonder how many teams paid for that and were salty when they still lost

 

[Ashley]

Yeah but y'all are an open team.

I think there's a big difference between that (and I'll use my family for example)and an 8 year old on a Y3 team and a 15 year old on a S3. They've already practiced 2-3 times that week regularly, plus any extra practices that were called that week since a big (Cheersport) competition.

At Cheersport, the Friday night practice, is the same 10 minute (I'm guessing the exact time, its been a few years since I've done it), you're going to get prior to competing the following day. Those 10 minutes on Friday aren't going to make or break your Saturday/Sunday performance. Its not a practice ...its a practice warm up.

Is it worth pulling (in the case of my family) a kid out of 10th grade IB Physics or 3rd grader out of school for...to get them to Atlanta by 6 pm? for 10 minutes? Naw


Now if your team has had injury after injury and fill in after fill in the week of, and you're actually practicing for a substantial amount of time at a nearby facility...I understand that.

but 10 minutes at the GWCC the night before Cheersport.....not worth it




(disclaimer to clear my conscious.... I did pull my niece out of school yesterday to go see Air Force One take off at the airport)

Oh yeah, I totally agree with you. I think some of the CEA teams only have a formal practice once a week, so I can see it making sense for them.

10 minutes on the mat the night before, no, that's not going to do a anything. An hour in a ballroom or outside when you haven't practiced in nearly a week - sure.