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My coach used to do this, I wish she still did :(sidenote...our coaches now sit with the team AND the score sheet at first practice after comp and discuss areas that need work....smart...yes?
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My coach used to do this, I wish she still did :(sidenote...our coaches now sit with the team AND the score sheet at first practice after comp and discuss areas that need work....smart...yes?
I don't understand why gyms would be that embarrassed about scores being posted. I can't imagine bad scores would be worse than a bad performance.
It isn't always, but the gyms collectively have all the power. If the gyms could correctly organize and require changes they would be made.
Sometimes it is not the small gym that wants the scores withheld. That is strictly the EP's doing. They can release them or not. If they say they will release all scores and you don't want your score released - don't go to the event. You have EP's that don't want to get publicly called on the carpet for out of line scores either which is another issue.
Having only worked for smaller or lesser known cheer gyms I am the first to admit there are challenges that we face but public scores should not be one of them. I want the scores released. Transparency works for the betterment of every program and the entire industry.
There have been several times when we have won and I have not understood why. (Not as many times as the other way around, but it happens.)
I am not saying that judge/EP bias never happens. I would just say that it happens MUCH less often than people are saying.
I agree. How do you get coaches that don't currently feel that way to start feeling that way?
Just overall impression or everything subjective?
Understand I am talking about smaller companies here and people that work for them that I have talked with. Some EP's dont release because of the "smallness" of the event. By posting it, in their opinion it looks bad to only have a few teams at your event. I have worked for and answered the phone for one EP and teams were asking us when we would post scores. The company would post placements, but not scores then take them down in 48 hours. They did not want to be challenged on scores is my thinking. Not a good business decision IMO.
To me there is not a good reason to release scores. If an EP stated on their website that they release all scores of all events, and that gym who did not want everyone to see their scores did not want that, they could simply choose not to attend. EP has transparency and the gym could find another event that suited their needs.
Ok, this is my question...IS it possible for USASF to require EP's that are members of the USASF to make all scores public? I only ask this because if this was the norm then all coaches would know what they are getting into BEFORE they registered for the event. IF they chose not to attend the event, fine but then they would have to look OUTSIDE an USASF event. Again, I'm asking if this is possible/feasible. I don't mean this as an attack on the USASF, just a question. Also, another question, what would have happened had you as the EP NOT removed those scores? I assume it wasn't something you did on a whim/surprise so coaches probably knew it was going to happen, WHAT are they trying to hide?Because many coaches don't want scores published because they don't want their team's fault available for their parents. I work for an EP and put every number from the score sheet online after our first event. It took 3 days before I was told to take it down due to coaches asking it be removed.
Make scoring transparent, embarrass coaches that are always right and they will be forced to do one of two things; quit coaching and take a job where accountability is optional (probably an elected position) or accept blame and get over their ego. Complete transparency will do nothing but positive things in the long run. Sort term, it's probably going to be hectic, anytime you change something that has long been established you're going to get resistance and some people will blindly hate the change forever because they will refuse to accept its merits. However I feel that this is a change that will benefit enough people that it will be loved by most and may cause huge expansion in the sport.
I thought that was the subjective part......
Point taken. Did "customerS" say why they didn't want them released?If all EPs had to release scores it wouldn't be an issue, but as long as it appears the majority of the customers don't want the scores released EPs are going to because they don't want to push customers away over it. On the other hand if more customers start contacting EPs saying they want scores released, enough that they appear to be the majority, EPs will look at making that change.