All-Star Spirit Of Texas And Top Gun Illegal Passes?

[taytaydaubs]

Wait, so does that mean Ashley's standing pass on Senior Elite is also illegal?

yes, it looks like it.

 

[CharlotteASMom]

Man, I get that this is many if you people's full time job so you can spend hours figuring all of this stuff out, but this is ridiculous. Does it really have to be this hard? Is it that the USASF cannot write rules that are clear and concise or is it that you professionals are just good at finding loopholes to be more competitive?

Every industry has rules and once those rules are established then the gray areas and need for clarifications gets larger.

If I were to go out and practice real estate with just the booklet of Real Estate Commission rules then I'd get sued pretty quickly. It takes me attending numerous classes and seminars to know how these rules are being interpreted and enforced. When I want to push a boundary and am not sure how it will be viewed then I email the commission to get clarification.

If I were a cheer coach I'd likewise email the USASF/Les and get written clarification back that what I was doing was legal to protect my team (as opposed to "The people on Fierce said it was legal" ;)) and if I remember correctly he has been very open to this.

Point being, by what everyone says, the rules could certainly be better stated however I don't think the USASF could ever put out a document that would cover every "what if" or gray area.

 

[Mclovin]

How about if the rules simply stated the intention of the rule and then clarified by saying if what you perform even APPEARS to be the same you get a legality. No one would be trying to find grey areas then...

I saw a team this weekend do a "backwards roll/extension roll" backhand double. They were definitely NOT in a tucked backward roll position, but also did not stop in a handstand. They had continuous movement and stepped out of the roll, but with a straight body...clearly the intention of the rule was to prevent this but they found a "grey area". For me, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. I'm tired of grey areas.

 

[CharlotteASMom]

How about if the rules simply stated the intention of the rule and then clarified by saying if what you perform even APPEARS to be the same you get a legality. No one would be trying to find grey areas then...

I saw a team this weekend do a "backwards roll/extension roll" backhand double. They were definitely NOT in a tucked backward roll position, but also did not stop in a handstand. They had continuous movement and stepped out of the roll, but with a straight body...clearly the intention of the rule was to prevent this but they found a "grey area". For me, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. I'm tired of grey areas.

Playing Devil's Advocate...would that limit innovation?

 

[Mclovin]

Playing Devil's Advocate...would that limit innovation?

Probably. Honestly, if they would just stop trying to "limit" tumbling I don't think we'd have to worry about "grey areas" anyway. Why can't it just be standing and running tumbling up to 1 flip and 2 twisting rotations. Period. If you want to invent new ways of getting to that double full, be my guest, lol.

I do understand there being "grey areas" in pyramids and choreography related skills. THAT's where the innovation comes, IMO. It's those "grey areas" of choreography that IMO makes TGLG so entertaining to watch. :)

 

[yojaehs]

Playing Devil's Advocate...would that limit innovation?

I'll go a step further, had this un-data driven rule never been put in place would there be a need to clarify? Previous to this rule it was pretty simple to understand, don't spin more than 2 times and it's legal.

 

[yojaehs]

Ah I just reworded Mclovin I guess we still share PARTS of our brains ;)

 

[Mclovin]

Ah I just reworded Mclovin I guess we still share PARTS of our brains ;)

Haha, once again, great minds always think alike ;)

 

[CharlotteASMom]

I'll go a step further, had this un-data driven rule never been put in place would there be a need to clarify? Previous to this rule it was pretty simple to understand, don't spin more than 2 times and it's legal.

Just to add, I don't follow the specifics of the rules (leave it to you all). I just wanted to see if how the USASF was handling it was better/worse than any other industry.

Were the previous rules in place for awhile? Meaning do you think those rules already went through that "clarification" phase?

 

[Mclovin]

Just to add, I don't follow the specifics of the rules (leave it to you all). I just wanted to see if how the USASF was handling it was better/worse than any other industry.

Were the previous rules in place for awhile? Meaning do you think those rules already went through that "clarification" phase?

There's not much to clarify when the rules says "up to 1 flipping and 2 twisting rotations". It's when they start wanting to decide what comes before that flip/twisting skill that starts making everything grey...

 

[yojaehs]

Just to add, I don't follow the specifics of the rules (leave it to you all). I just wanted to see if how the USASF was handling it was better/worse than any other industry.

Were the previous rules in place for awhile? Meaning do you think those rules already went through that "clarification" phase?

I think other industry rules are data driven, this one was not so clarification at this point is just a CYOA process

 

[Mclovin]

yojaehs CYOA??

 

[CoachTamara]

yojaehs CYOA??

Cover your own "booty" ;)

 

[yojaehs]

yojaehs CYOA??

Cover Your Own A...

 

[Mclovin]

haha ok. I couldn't figure it out, lol :-/